Friday, January 12, 2007

England and Scotland: a disunited kingdom

Not wishing to say I told you so, but I did actually tell you so.

"A majority of voters in both Scotland and England want the countries to split.

Failing that, both think England should have a Parliament of its own deciding on English affairs without any involvement of Scottish MPs.

The poll findings demonstrate deep and potentially fatal cracks in the 300-year union of the two countries, and threaten to present Gordon Brown with a constitutional crisis if he becomes Prime Minister.

In a further blow to Mr Brown, a majority in both countries want him to call an election within a year of coming to power, to secure his own mandate from the voters. "

Tony Blair is a tit!

From The Mail


Blogger kats said...

Hmmmm Interesting times ahead I think. However a more fitting description for Tone would be dickhead.

Sat Jan 13, 08:48:00 AM GMT  
Blogger Lightning said...

Very well put Gavin, and have to agree with your comments, especially the last line "Tony Blair is a tit!"

Sat Jan 13, 01:57:00 PM GMT  
Blogger Curmy said...

It's the best thing that could happen, then at least GB won't be our Prime Minister!

Sat Jan 13, 04:09:00 PM GMT  
Blogger IsobelMagsBuchan said...

They may well all be tits and people may have a personal dislike of Gordybabes, however you get the politicians you vote for and the government you deserve!

The union on the whole has worked more for us these past 300 years than against us, depending upon on how you look at things. I would be unhappy to see it disintegrate just because the last three elections have been won by a prat, which is what it boils down to.

Mon Jan 15, 09:53:00 PM GMT  
Blogger Sarnia said...

I agree with Mags. GB has belatedly realised that he's probably on a hiding to nothing now.

His and Nu Labour's fault for devolving power in the first place - it's come back and bit them in the bum.

I heard on the radio today, however, that the majority of people in Scotland do NOT want the Union to break up.

Tue Jan 16, 08:48:00 PM GMT  
Blogger Curmy said...

Most Scots I ever hear interviewed on the Radio seem to loathe the English, so why would they want to stay with us ?

Tue Jan 16, 10:42:00 PM GMT  
Blogger Sarnia said...

For the money.

Instinctively they'll knee-jerk away when Alex Wotsit goes on about a referendum about indepedence. But, most savvy Scots will realise they'll be on a hiding to nothing without the tax money syphoned from England to Scotland.

Wed Jan 17, 12:15:00 AM GMT  
Blogger IsobelMagsBuchan said...

When I lived in Glasgow for a short time (summer of World Cup 1990 and so I took some stick) I chatted to many Scots about independence. Most sneered at the SNP but agreed in a devolved government and were therefore prepared to vote for them. I don't think that Scots actually want a dissoultion of the Union, it works too well in their favour and one thing they are not is stupid.

Scots are fiercly patriotic and this is sometimes mistaken for a hatred of the English. I have to say that impo Thatcher has a lot to do with the growth of a 'hatred' because of the way her policies were so devastating for Scotland and also, the poll tax experiment! On the whole though I think the Scots are pretty ambivalent with regard to the English. I certainly have never experienced anything approaching hatred but I have had to put up with banter, which when you think about it is no worse than the banter between Australians and the English and if taken with good humour is fine. Too may people get precious when talking about this subject.

It doesn't make good viewing/listening to broadcast the majority view of the Scottish which is why you get the polemical crap we have had to listen from Scots and English over the last few days.

I'm fed up with it. It's about time that the majority view on this was discussed instead of the views of the minority who want us to do away with something that has brought most nothing but benefits.

Wed Jan 17, 10:04:00 AM GMT  
Blogger Sarnia said...

Gordon Brown must be very worried indeed.

I don't anyone is convinced by his Union stance.

Scotland currently sends 49 Labour MPs to Westminster. That's a hell of a lot of seats to lose should Scotland be independant.

So - Gordon either has to secure a safe seat in England or be content as the leader of the opposition party in Scotland.

Hoist by his own petard.

Thu Jan 18, 07:47:00 PM GMT  
Blogger Kayfer Kettle said...

I just do not get it.

Bollocks to bloody politics...the end result is that pretty much without exception, whenever scots and brits are cutting the crap and having a normal bevvy or a chat or whatever, there is good humoured ribbing and that's the limit of any animosity.

We've stood shoulder to shoulder in wars when it's threatened these shores as a whole, and I'm damned sure that would happen again if the need arose.

Bollocks to politics, and all the English and Scots who insist on raking over meaningless tosh.

Rant over.

K xxxxx

Fri Jan 19, 10:55:00 PM GMT  
Blogger Sarnia said...

I agree with you Lena but unfortunately it's absolutely everything to do with politics.

Labour are in power because of their seats in Scotland (in England the Conservatives 'won').

Gordon Brown is desperate to be the next Prime Minister of the UK.

Alex Salmon (sp?) of the SNP has promised a referendum on independence should the SNP win in the elections on 3rd May.

For Gordon this is a nightmare.

If the Union was so dear then why didn't this Govt recognise the 300th anniversary of it (earlier this week?).

It's never been important to people like Brown until now when he realises without the 49 Labour seats from Scotland, Labour will not be in power.

I really hope the Union doesn't break up; it has been a good thing.

But if it does, Labour only has itself to blame for tinkering with the whole thing once they got into power.

Fri Jan 19, 11:48:00 PM GMT  

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